1 00:00:06,260 --> 00:00:04,100 um like to begin by just noting that in 2 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:06,270 academic circles we all tend to have 3 00:00:11,930 --> 00:00:08,610 taglines we like to refer to ourselves 4 00:00:14,089 --> 00:00:11,940 as psychologists or mathematicians or 5 00:00:19,279 --> 00:00:14,099 whatnot well I play that game too I 6 00:00:20,810 --> 00:00:19,289 refer to myself as a humanist and I used 7 00:00:24,140 --> 00:00:20,820 that I say that in order to make the 8 00:00:26,269 --> 00:00:24,150 point that I'm not a psychologist other 9 00:00:28,130 --> 00:00:26,279 than the fact that I kind of study the 10 00:00:31,759 --> 00:00:28,140 the larger context of the human 11 00:00:33,319 --> 00:00:31,769 condition if you will but as a humanist 12 00:00:36,770 --> 00:00:33,329 I'm interested in the interior 13 00:00:40,430 --> 00:00:36,780 experience of the interplay of the human 14 00:00:43,250 --> 00:00:40,440 and the divine and I would say that in 15 00:00:46,819 --> 00:00:43,260 quoting one of the philosophers I 16 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:46,829 studied in my studies Pico della 17 00:00:54,020 --> 00:00:51,570 Mirandola 15th century Renaissance 18 00:00:57,500 --> 00:00:54,030 scholar he said that we exist in a 19 00:01:00,920 --> 00:00:57,510 middle space being neither a heavenly 20 00:01:03,650 --> 00:01:00,930 being nor an earthly being and in this 21 00:01:05,810 --> 00:01:03,660 middle space he felt that human beings 22 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:05,820 can range between the level of the lower 23 00:01:10,580 --> 00:01:08,850 things or the higher things well I 24 00:01:14,060 --> 00:01:10,590 believe that we are a microcosm of that 25 00:01:16,789 --> 00:01:14,070 entire spectrum but we are gifted with a 26 00:01:19,060 --> 00:01:16,799 freedom that enables our movement our 27 00:01:22,219 --> 00:01:19,070 ability to change to grow and develop 28 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:22,229 and I became interested in the Manoa 29 00:01:28,130 --> 00:01:24,450 Institute because of its process for 30 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:28,140 exercising our freedom to explore the 31 00:01:33,830 --> 00:01:31,290 full range between the lower things and 32 00:01:36,050 --> 00:01:33,840 the higher things using the hemi-sync 33 00:01:39,710 --> 00:01:36,060 technology and many of you are familiar 34 00:01:41,420 --> 00:01:39,720 with Bob Monroe's work that Bob 35 00:01:42,770 --> 00:01:41,430 developed TMI programs off the 36 00:01:45,530 --> 00:01:42,780 opportunity to tune into different 37 00:01:48,830 --> 00:01:45,540 states of consciousness like tuning a 38 00:01:51,530 --> 00:01:48,840 radio into different stations right 39 00:01:54,499 --> 00:01:51,540 that's an effect that most everybody who 40 00:01:55,969 --> 00:01:54,509 goes to TM I have some experience of but 41 00:01:57,950 --> 00:01:55,979 what I was really interested in knowing 42 00:02:00,649 --> 00:01:57,960 and trying to understand it was the 43 00:02:02,359 --> 00:02:00,659 basis of the study was while their 44 00:02:03,830 --> 00:02:02,369 effect can be pretty dramatic I have 45 00:02:06,319 --> 00:02:03,840 often wondered how participants have 46 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:06,329 integrated their experiences into their 47 00:02:12,230 --> 00:02:09,810 lives what difference has attendance at 48 00:02:14,270 --> 00:02:12,240 at TMI program 49 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:14,280 difference in terms of tuning in to 50 00:02:18,860 --> 00:02:17,490 different levels of consciousness made 51 00:02:21,020 --> 00:02:18,870 in the nature of their personal 52 00:02:23,540 --> 00:02:21,030 relationships their interests and 53 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:23,550 accomplishments their growth and 54 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:26,370 development if you will so this is what 55 00:02:31,190 --> 00:02:29,370 the basis of the study that I've begun 56 00:02:34,370 --> 00:02:31,200 and this is only the beginning of this 57 00:02:36,980 --> 00:02:34,380 study there are several phases yet that 58 00:02:40,370 --> 00:02:36,990 I will be exploring but this initial 59 00:02:42,740 --> 00:02:40,380 study started with two groups I looked 60 00:02:45,020 --> 00:02:42,750 at people who have attended just simply 61 00:02:46,490 --> 00:02:45,030 the Gateway Program which was the first 62 00:02:48,050 --> 00:02:46,500 program in the series and everyone's 63 00:02:50,420 --> 00:02:48,060 required to go through before they can 64 00:02:53,930 --> 00:02:50,430 attend any advanced programs they were 65 00:02:55,820 --> 00:02:53,940 approximately 360 respondents in the 66 00:02:57,920 --> 00:02:55,830 Gateway group then I looked at another 67 00:02:59,780 --> 00:02:57,930 group called multiple program attendees 68 00:03:03,200 --> 00:02:59,790 people have attended three or more 69 00:03:05,390 --> 00:03:03,210 programs and as you'll see more than 75% 70 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:05,400 of this group attended actually four or 71 00:03:12,710 --> 00:03:08,850 more programs all had attended at least 72 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:12,720 one program since 2000 all right but 73 00:03:16,070 --> 00:03:14,130 some of the multiple program 74 00:03:19,610 --> 00:03:16,080 participants had gateways experiences 75 00:03:22,250 --> 00:03:19,620 being back into the 1970s I was an 76 00:03:23,990 --> 00:03:22,260 online questionnaire there was one 77 00:03:26,780 --> 00:03:24,000 section demographics psychographics 78 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:26,790 program affects about 61 questions and 79 00:03:31,640 --> 00:03:28,290 then there was an optional section 80 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:31,650 looking at personality typology now let 81 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:33,570 me just simply kind of summarize some of 82 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:35,010 the independent variables came out of 83 00:03:40,250 --> 00:03:37,770 this on the demographic differences some 84 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:40,260 of the key examples here is obviously 85 00:03:44,510 --> 00:03:42,090 for the multiple program group they're a 86 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:44,520 little bit older they've been going to 87 00:03:48,770 --> 00:03:47,010 TMI longer all right 88 00:03:50,060 --> 00:03:48,780 their education they have a higher 89 00:03:53,540 --> 00:03:50,070 percentage of people with advanced 90 00:03:56,420 --> 00:03:53,550 degrees all right they also have a 91 00:03:57,920 --> 00:03:56,430 length of change in social status in the 92 00:03:59,690 --> 00:03:57,930 meaning that they've been widowed or 93 00:04:03,650 --> 00:03:59,700 diverse divorced those individuals have 94 00:04:06,350 --> 00:04:03,660 been widowed a divorce had been for a 95 00:04:09,949 --> 00:04:06,360 longer period of time they adjusted to 96 00:04:12,650 --> 00:04:09,959 that change and then income level was a 97 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:12,660 little higher so there are some of the 98 00:04:16,970 --> 00:04:15,290 you know independent variables between 99 00:04:20,390 --> 00:04:16,980 demographically between the two groups 100 00:04:22,219 --> 00:04:20,400 on a psychographic level there were 101 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:22,229 really two key differences I asked 102 00:04:27,170 --> 00:04:24,210 people you know 103 00:04:30,350 --> 00:04:27,180 why did you choose to attend TM I gave 104 00:04:33,950 --> 00:04:30,360 him a list of ten different reasons you 105 00:04:35,540 --> 00:04:33,960 could select any or none and you could 106 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:35,550 select them as many times as you wanted 107 00:04:40,730 --> 00:04:38,130 to two dimensions came out between the 108 00:04:43,420 --> 00:04:40,740 two groups that was a statistically 109 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:43,430 significant difference one was curiosity 110 00:04:50,420 --> 00:04:48,330 the multiple programme attendees had a 111 00:04:52,879 --> 00:04:50,430 greater degree of curiosity and their 112 00:04:55,730 --> 00:04:52,889 reason for attending TMI and the second 113 00:04:58,070 --> 00:04:55,740 one was self knowledge that his are to 114 00:05:00,020 --> 00:04:58,080 understand themselves better these were 115 00:05:02,029 --> 00:05:00,030 two distinctions between the two groups 116 00:05:05,420 --> 00:05:02,039 and then in terms of personality 117 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:05,430 typology it's really interesting about 118 00:05:10,850 --> 00:05:08,130 the group is both of them have pretty 119 00:05:13,939 --> 00:05:10,860 much the same typology you know a little 120 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:13,949 bit beyond norm in terms of extraversion 121 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:16,610 that was a little unexpected on my part 122 00:05:22,719 --> 00:05:19,530 but they're dominant functions in is 123 00:05:25,159 --> 00:05:22,729 intuition and their auxiliary function 124 00:05:28,909 --> 00:05:25,169 primary auxiliary functions so for for 125 00:05:32,180 --> 00:05:28,919 most people it was akin the 40% top 40 126 00:05:34,070 --> 00:05:32,190 percentage basis for what I'd call this 127 00:05:37,339 --> 00:05:34,080 dominant function of intuition the 128 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:37,349 secondary function was feeling and then 129 00:05:42,740 --> 00:05:39,810 as an axillary function intuition was 130 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:42,750 still the highest so on the two dominant 131 00:05:47,089 --> 00:05:44,849 and auxiliary determinants of 132 00:05:49,939 --> 00:05:47,099 personality typology intuition is the 133 00:05:53,260 --> 00:05:49,949 highest descriptor of the personality 134 00:05:56,990 --> 00:05:53,270 technologies of the people going to TMI 135 00:06:00,560 --> 00:05:57,000 now let's just take a look at the 136 00:06:06,070 --> 00:06:00,570 findings and go kind jump to the bottom 137 00:06:10,450 --> 00:06:06,080 line I did a fact analysis around 34 138 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:10,460 program effect items came up with four 139 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:14,010 categories in which I loaded those items 140 00:06:20,180 --> 00:06:16,370 on personal efficacy life satisfaction 141 00:06:22,700 --> 00:06:20,190 job satisfaction career performance then 142 00:06:24,260 --> 00:06:22,710 we did a regression analysis looking at 143 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:24,270 controlling for these variables these 144 00:06:30,230 --> 00:06:25,849 differences in demographics 145 00:06:33,019 --> 00:06:30,240 psychographics and we came to a rather 146 00:06:35,540 --> 00:06:33,029 interesting conclusion here is that 147 00:06:37,550 --> 00:06:35,550 those people attending multiple programs 148 00:06:39,580 --> 00:06:37,560 actually had 149 00:06:42,260 --> 00:06:39,590 statistically significant higher 150 00:06:47,150 --> 00:06:42,270 personal efficacy and life satisfaction 151 00:06:49,100 --> 00:06:47,160 and those who just attended gateway now 152 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:49,110 what's also interesting is the r-squared 153 00:06:54,590 --> 00:06:51,810 there I don't believe I have enough 154 00:06:59,870 --> 00:06:54,600 variables to account for TMI as having 155 00:07:02,870 --> 00:06:59,880 much to do with that alright but what I 156 00:07:07,220 --> 00:07:02,880 can say is that TMI acts like a strange 157 00:07:12,940 --> 00:07:07,230 attractor of a certain kind of 158 00:07:18,350 --> 00:07:12,950 individual who comes through there okay 159 00:07:20,690 --> 00:07:18,360 now I want to go a little too fast there 160 00:07:22,790 --> 00:07:20,700 I want to point out some of the 161 00:07:25,210 --> 00:07:22,800 questions in terms of program effects 162 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:25,220 and look at this correlation between 163 00:07:30,110 --> 00:07:27,690 gateway only respondents and multiple 164 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:30,120 program respondents I thirty four 165 00:07:33,050 --> 00:07:31,650 questions looking at questions like I 166 00:07:35,890 --> 00:07:33,060 have a more expansive vision of how the 167 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:35,900 parts of my life relate to a hold on 168 00:07:42,620 --> 00:07:39,290 every one of the thirty four questions 169 00:07:46,610 --> 00:07:42,630 multiple program attendees more strongly 170 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:46,620 agreed with that question than with then 171 00:07:52,300 --> 00:07:48,450 the Gateway only and here are the ones 172 00:07:56,630 --> 00:07:55,610 tremendously you know a measure of 173 00:07:59,480 --> 00:07:56,640 difference here on some of these 174 00:08:02,659 --> 00:07:59,490 questions additional questions besides 175 00:08:06,529 --> 00:08:02,669 these this to give you a feel for this 176 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:06,539 I'm a more effective decision-maker I am 177 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:10,530 more composed under pressure I'm more 178 00:08:16,450 --> 00:08:12,450 able to listen non defensively to 179 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:16,460 criticism I'm more productive at work I 180 00:08:21,740 --> 00:08:19,530 have developed new friends so I'm 181 00:08:24,650 --> 00:08:21,750 looking at aspects that would point to 182 00:08:27,350 --> 00:08:24,660 this question of quality of life life 183 00:08:30,740 --> 00:08:27,360 satisfaction if you will and on every 184 00:08:33,380 --> 00:08:30,750 one of those questions the people 185 00:08:36,529 --> 00:08:33,390 attending multiple programs had a much 186 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:36,539 higher satisfaction or strongly agree 187 00:08:44,820 --> 00:08:43,709 that's one aspect of this study the 188 00:08:46,019 --> 00:08:44,830 other one which I find even more 189 00:08:49,079 --> 00:08:46,029 interesting is what I'd call the 190 00:08:52,079 --> 00:08:49,089 qualitative analysis because I asked a 191 00:08:53,610 --> 00:08:52,089 series of open-ended questions and one 192 00:08:57,990 --> 00:08:53,620 in particular was what's your most 193 00:09:01,699 --> 00:08:58,000 memorable experience and I got back a 194 00:09:05,819 --> 00:09:01,709 you know 200 pages of written comments 195 00:09:07,410 --> 00:09:05,829 single spaced and so I had to be go 196 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:07,420 through all that and began to try to 197 00:09:11,220 --> 00:09:09,130 organize it around some set of 198 00:09:13,650 --> 00:09:11,230 categories and here were four categories 199 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:13,660 in which I could pretty easily put most 200 00:09:18,449 --> 00:09:17,170 everybody's response all right I'm going 201 00:09:19,860 --> 00:09:18,459 to look a little bit here at this 202 00:09:24,660 --> 00:09:19,870 personal Learning and Development and 203 00:09:27,199 --> 00:09:24,670 share that with you now here's a sample 204 00:09:30,930 --> 00:09:27,209 of responses from the Gateway only group 205 00:09:32,610 --> 00:09:30,940 and I've highlighted a couple places 206 00:09:34,889 --> 00:09:32,620 here we'll pay attention to the language 207 00:09:37,680 --> 00:09:34,899 because the language is key to kind of a 208 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:37,690 mental functioning the way people are 209 00:09:43,470 --> 00:09:39,970 structuring meaning from this experience 210 00:09:47,819 --> 00:09:43,480 so I'm accepting my limitations I'm 211 00:09:50,930 --> 00:09:47,829 forgiving myself I've cried with one's 212 00:09:53,550 --> 00:09:50,940 self of the young time together a 213 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:53,560 meeting having cried with one's self of 214 00:09:59,180 --> 00:09:55,930 a young time together learning to trust 215 00:10:04,110 --> 00:09:59,190 myself realizing how dumb I've been 216 00:10:05,100 --> 00:10:04,120 discovering the clown chakra realizing 217 00:10:08,100 --> 00:10:05,110 I'm still alive 218 00:10:12,030 --> 00:10:08,110 interesting interesting data here now 219 00:10:16,889 --> 00:10:12,040 let's compare that with the multiple 220 00:10:21,860 --> 00:10:16,899 program participants and you can really 221 00:10:26,519 --> 00:10:24,990 characteristics in the language I'm very 222 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:26,529 different person much more whole than 223 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:29,050 before TMI help me heal when I was very 224 00:10:36,410 --> 00:10:32,770 bruised I'll always be grateful having 225 00:10:39,060 --> 00:10:36,420 confidence myself to dance with others 226 00:10:41,100 --> 00:10:39,070 one part of our purpose here on earth or 227 00:10:43,380 --> 00:10:41,110 one way to look at it is to enable God 228 00:10:48,449 --> 00:10:43,390 to experience the physical in my case 229 00:10:50,490 --> 00:10:48,459 here and enjoy music realize that I 230 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:50,500 failed to follow my guidance if I was 231 00:10:54,430 --> 00:10:52,850 afraid of possible consequences 232 00:10:56,309 --> 00:10:54,440 learning to love and trust myself 233 00:10:59,259 --> 00:10:56,319 letting go shame 234 00:11:02,829 --> 00:10:59,269 now language here betrays a degree of 235 00:11:04,629 --> 00:11:02,839 integration of an understanding of how 236 00:11:06,970 --> 00:11:04,639 their life has changed and how they are 237 00:11:09,639 --> 00:11:06,980 living in accordance with that change 238 00:11:12,340 --> 00:11:09,649 that's one of the things that I'm taking 239 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:12,350 away from this to explain why they feel 240 00:11:18,340 --> 00:11:14,810 more life satisfaction and greater self 241 00:11:19,990 --> 00:11:18,350 efficacy right now obviously there's 242 00:11:22,180 --> 00:11:20,000 some things here that I still don't 243 00:11:25,930 --> 00:11:22,190 understand and one of the things that 244 00:11:27,579 --> 00:11:25,940 I'm proposing is that there are still 245 00:11:29,620 --> 00:11:27,589 questions around other variables 246 00:11:32,650 --> 00:11:29,630 contributing to this finding so there's 247 00:11:35,230 --> 00:11:32,660 a phase to this study yet to be done but 248 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:35,240 there's also a need to get other 249 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:38,569 people's perspective on these people so 250 00:11:43,449 --> 00:11:40,250 I'm proposing to use a multi rater 251 00:11:47,019 --> 00:11:43,459 instrument in a follow-up study with 34 252 00:11:48,610 --> 00:11:47,029 of these individuals now the final 253 00:11:50,259 --> 00:11:48,620 comment I take this from Richard 254 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:50,269 tarnishes work on the passion of the 255 00:11:55,300 --> 00:11:52,610 Western mind and I certainly saw that 256 00:11:58,509 --> 00:11:55,310 happening with both groups of people is 257 00:12:00,370 --> 00:11:58,519 the way in which we've focused on the 258 00:12:02,470 --> 00:12:00,380 world our intentions we bring the world 259 00:12:05,639 --> 00:12:02,480 the world opens up and begins to ratify 260 00:12:08,439 --> 00:12:05,649 that experience for us so with that I 261 00:12:10,210 --> 00:12:08,449 kind of conclude my presentation open it 262 00:12:26,660 --> 00:12:10,220 up to any kind of questions as I've 263 00:12:34,100 --> 00:12:31,290 um I'm Tennant I tend to be slightly 264 00:12:36,870 --> 00:12:34,110 suspicious of self reportage in 265 00:12:39,560 --> 00:12:36,880 psychological studies I don't mean to be 266 00:12:42,300 --> 00:12:39,570 too cynical but isn't it possible that 267 00:12:45,750 --> 00:12:42,310 some of this effect is simply due to 268 00:12:47,310 --> 00:12:45,760 self suggestion and self selection in 269 00:12:51,030 --> 00:12:47,320 other words people that go through 270 00:12:54,210 --> 00:12:51,040 multiple programs are one one example 271 00:12:59,550 --> 00:12:54,220 would mean that they would be tend to be 272 00:13:01,500 --> 00:12:59,560 motivated to to feel that they had to 273 00:13:06,660 --> 00:13:01,510 change in response to spending all that 274 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:06,670 money there wasn't it wasn't a waste and 275 00:13:11,639 --> 00:13:09,610 and to justify it to it even on a 276 00:13:13,290 --> 00:13:11,649 questionnaire but of course I assume 277 00:13:17,730 --> 00:13:13,300 these people were anonymous 278 00:13:19,260 --> 00:13:17,740 so so there was no ego issue there so 279 00:13:23,250 --> 00:13:19,270 anyway I think that there could be other 280 00:13:26,010 --> 00:13:23,260 from other factors that cause those 281 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:26,020 results sure and I don't disagree I 282 00:13:29,910 --> 00:13:27,730 really what's coming across here is an 283 00:13:34,050 --> 00:13:29,920 attitude I don't really know if they're 284 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:34,060 happier by but you certainly get from 285 00:13:39,269 --> 00:13:36,130 their responses a clear indication 286 00:13:41,990 --> 00:13:39,279 particularly when you do the analysis 287 00:13:45,150 --> 00:13:42,000 that they're statistically a difference 288 00:13:47,250 --> 00:13:45,160 now what explains that that's something 289 00:13:50,460 --> 00:13:47,260 I would like to get into a deeper 290 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:50,470 understanding now okay so I agree it 291 00:13:55,769 --> 00:13:54,490 could be other factors here yeah um my 292 00:13:57,420 --> 00:13:55,779 question was similar to his in terms of 293 00:13:58,440 --> 00:13:57,430 a self selection of fact I guess the 294 00:14:00,780 --> 00:13:58,450 other question is is that do you have 295 00:14:02,970 --> 00:14:00,790 any pre data so do we we don't know how 296 00:14:04,199 --> 00:14:02,980 much gain may have occurred no we don't 297 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:04,209 have a baseline this is one of the 298 00:14:08,100 --> 00:14:06,250 things I've told the folks at TMI you 299 00:14:10,290 --> 00:14:08,110 need to start collecting data on tipos 300 00:14:12,210 --> 00:14:10,300 that come in in so you know something 301 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:12,220 about you know what you are trying to 302 00:14:17,389 --> 00:14:14,170 evaluate in terms of long term effect 303 00:14:19,829 --> 00:14:17,399 and they haven't begun to do that yet I 304 00:14:22,949 --> 00:14:19,839 know in the beginning that Monroe 305 00:14:24,660 --> 00:14:22,959 Institute had all these frequencies to 306 00:14:26,090 --> 00:14:24,670 help people get out of their bodies did 307 00:14:27,710 --> 00:14:26,100 you even ask 308 00:14:29,870 --> 00:14:27,720 fool about where they're getting out of 309 00:14:33,499 --> 00:14:29,880 their bodies morgue has the whole focus 310 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:33,509 of the Institute changed no what you 311 00:14:37,639 --> 00:14:35,130 didn't see up there was what I call the 312 00:14:39,259 --> 00:14:37,649 mystical experience and a number of and 313 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:39,269 what's really interesting here is you 314 00:14:44,350 --> 00:14:40,170 would think that that would be the 315 00:14:46,999 --> 00:14:44,360 probably the number one area of 316 00:14:51,740 --> 00:14:47,009 memorable experience and actually it 317 00:14:53,030 --> 00:14:51,750 isn't and in fact among this group I 318 00:14:54,740 --> 00:14:53,040 don't think that there's more than a 319 00:14:57,740 --> 00:14:54,750 handful of people he even spoke of 320 00:15:00,620 --> 00:14:57,750 out-of-body experience but they spoke of 321 00:15:03,069 --> 00:15:00,630 a wide range of what I call meta normal 322 00:15:08,389 --> 00:15:03,079 functioning the experience of themselves 323 00:15:11,210 --> 00:15:08,399 under different influences experiencing 324 00:15:14,030 --> 00:15:11,220 themselves transported in time speaking 325 00:15:16,100 --> 00:15:14,040 with their their their relatives outside 326 00:15:19,100 --> 00:15:16,110 of time soul retrieval a number of 327 00:15:22,910 --> 00:15:19,110 various activities that are very much at 328 00:15:25,639 --> 00:15:22,920 the heart of what Monroe does but by and 329 00:15:27,050 --> 00:15:25,649 large the large majority was around 330 00:15:29,629 --> 00:15:27,060 personal learning and development and 331 00:15:31,970 --> 00:15:29,639 what I'm calling belongings their 332 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:31,980 relationship to others was more 333 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:34,130 memorable than some of those experiences 334 00:15:41,059 --> 00:15:38,250 so I found that interesting I had a 335 00:15:43,579 --> 00:15:41,069 question about the two populations did 336 00:15:46,009 --> 00:15:43,589 you control for the amount of meditation 337 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:46,019 in the two populations and that was one 338 00:15:52,129 --> 00:15:49,290 of the questions I didn't ask is like 339 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:52,139 what other work are you doing alright 340 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:53,250 and that's one of the things I'm going 341 00:16:02,360 --> 00:15:55,170 to go into in greater detail in the and 342 00:16:05,740 --> 00:16:02,370 then in the next phase of the study we 343 00:16:10,300 --> 00:16:08,020 just like to comment and ask a question 344 00:16:13,030 --> 00:16:10,310 my sense is that the particular 345 00:16:15,970 --> 00:16:13,040 technique of the induction that you're 346 00:16:17,950 --> 00:16:15,980 studying could be is interchangeable 347 00:16:20,650 --> 00:16:17,960 with you could make quite a list of 348 00:16:24,460 --> 00:16:20,660 other programs of self development and 349 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:24,470 personal change and you would find in in 350 00:16:30,970 --> 00:16:27,410 all these cases a moment of initiation 351 00:16:33,700 --> 00:16:30,980 or kicking open the door or some kind of 352 00:16:35,500 --> 00:16:33,710 blast off experience and then you would 353 00:16:38,500 --> 00:16:35,510 find long periods of sustained 354 00:16:41,980 --> 00:16:38,510 development which are making exactly the 355 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:41,990 kind of mature integrated human beings 356 00:16:48,700 --> 00:16:46,010 to come forth and and so what I really 357 00:16:52,690 --> 00:16:48,710 appreciate is is the the joining of this 358 00:16:56,860 --> 00:16:52,700 technology with spiritual traditions and 359 00:16:59,410 --> 00:16:56,870 many others and I the more data we have 360 00:17:00,910 --> 00:16:59,420 of each and every one of these the 361 00:17:03,700 --> 00:17:00,920 better and I really appreciate it thank 362 00:17:08,170 --> 00:17:03,710 you and and let me just simply add there 363 00:17:10,390 --> 00:17:08,180 was another reason for why skip 364 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:10,400 backwater wanted us to do this study was 365 00:17:14,949 --> 00:17:13,250 also to look at why not more people were 366 00:17:16,750 --> 00:17:14,959 coming back there would seem to be about 367 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:16,760 a 36 month period of time from the 368 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:19,730 initial finding out about Monroe until